tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post7714245048560067408..comments2024-02-28T07:04:58.522+01:00Comments on noseflute.org: Flute or Whistle: about the nameUkeHeidihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-90743422538632026622013-02-10T13:31:03.495+01:002013-02-10T13:31:03.495+01:00Last night I watched the Culture Show on BBC2, whi...Last night I watched the Culture Show on BBC2, which was about Ice Age Art and the great exhibition on this topic which is on currently (until 26 May 2013) in the British Museum in London. Check this link if you're interested: http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/ice_age_art/about_the_exhibition.aspx<br /><br />The fascinating thing to me is that they show the oldest known fluteMaikel Meinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-30368999004602489822013-02-07T09:31:07.946+01:002013-02-07T09:31:07.946+01:00I think that Mr. Raine-Reusch doesn't not care...I think that Mr. Raine-Reusch doesn't not care much about our instrument... He's interested in traditional flutes, and our urban nose flute appears to him like... a toy. Doesn't matter.UkeHeidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-25169816417296824652013-02-06T21:21:35.684+01:002013-02-06T21:21:35.684+01:00That's an interesting point you make: I guess ...That's an interesting point you make: I guess I didn't quite read that into it! I suppose Mr Raine-Reusch looks upon the traditional nose flute as a melody-based instrument, since it has key-holes that supply a fixed intonation. However, he just might not be aware what our instrument can produce. He might not have played the free-pitch nose flute himself or not even have held it in his Maikel Meinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-9827386277823270732013-02-06T19:15:31.835+01:002013-02-06T19:15:31.835+01:00I had the honour to do a honggi with Maori on seve...I had the honour to do a honggi with Maori on several occasions where as a greeting or a way to say thanks in one case, you press your nose against the nose of the other person. This way your soul which is in your breath mingles with the soul of the other person. So your nose is pretty important. Harm J. Linsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-18322608181502695172013-02-06T18:11:03.179+01:002013-02-06T18:11:03.179+01:00Well, it's not always like that, but in this c...Well, it's not always like that, but in this case, yes, siffler and souffler both are "mimetic". And as you point it, it's clear that siffler is sharper.UkeHeidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-9141909253381937892013-02-06T17:37:54.129+01:002013-02-06T17:37:54.129+01:00Maikel, have you red his answer? "However I m...Maikel, have you red his answer? "However I make the designation that it is a whistle to differentiate it from the nose flutes found in Melanesia and South-east Asia, which are melodic based instruments". <br /><br />He says that the dinstinction comes just in order to not confuse! It means it's not a "technical" point of view (or he doesn't know — I would be surprisedUkeHeidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-59836036908308845462013-02-06T17:34:23.739+01:002013-02-06T17:34:23.739+01:00I looked for and found nothing. Just many golden r...I looked for and found nothing. Just many golden rings in the nose.UkeHeidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-78204997303573860032013-02-06T17:01:40.825+01:002013-02-06T17:01:40.825+01:00It would be very interesting if you or anybody els...It would be very interesting if you or anybody else could find something "against" the nose in the Bible! Now I've come of think of it, there are many civilisations around the world who show their affection by rubbing their noses up against each other, whilst the "West", particularly from Hollywood movies, is associated with mouth kisses, or for that matter "French&Maikel Meinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-63286157961804987632013-02-06T16:54:24.121+01:002013-02-06T16:54:24.121+01:00Great to see this kind of proof! It seems the Fren...Great to see this kind of proof! It seems the French language has a very implicit answer after all: "siffler" with a close, central, sharp-sounding first vowel versus "souffler" with a front, open-mid, round-sounding first vowel (with rounded lips that are required to fit around or adjust to an opening).<br />There's an answer to everything eventually... bring on the Maikel Meinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-25268624410023363102013-02-06T16:34:51.506+01:002013-02-06T16:34:51.506+01:00I had understood that Mr Raine-Reusch was quite st...I had understood that Mr Raine-Reusch was quite strict in that department. This information I received quite a few years ago, when information about the nose flute was very scarce and certainly not bundled as on your blog. I have seen the same stand on the nose flute as a nose whistle several times later on the net again, so I assumed that it had to be "official", particularly as I am Maikel Meinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-42449314558804709472013-02-05T09:57:22.542+01:002013-02-05T09:57:22.542+01:00Luis, vessel flute is not correct. Vessel flute me...Luis, vessel flute is not correct. Vessel flute means there is an "inside", a cavity. And the cavity of our instrument is outside the instrument itself : the mouth.<br /><br />Whistle is not the proper name:<br /><br />whistle : Old English hwistlian, from Proto-Germanic *khwis-, of imitative origin. Used also in Middle English of the hissing of serpents.<br /><br />It means that a UkeHeidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-1414377157246231422013-02-05T09:44:35.252+01:002013-02-05T09:44:35.252+01:00Hello Nosymic,
I agree with you: and if the nose ...Hello Nosymic,<br /><br />I agree with you: and if the nose flute looks funny, it' just because people are not accustomed to it. Imagine you see a trumpet or horn player for the first time of your life. Isn't that funny to blow like a horse in the little part of a big brass instrument ? Isn't a person holding an opened umbrella totally funny? <br /><br />We find nose flute funny/UkeHeidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-19267347309481685162013-02-05T09:36:37.120+01:002013-02-05T09:36:37.120+01:00Maikel, I don't agree with your second sentenc...Maikel, I don't agree with your second sentence. What Mr. Raine-Reusch said is that his choice was absolutely not lead by a technical point of view! He wrote that he says "whistle" just no to confuse with the traditional flutes! So, to me, this argument has absolutely no value... (like saying I don't want to call a electric locomotive "locomotive" not to confuse it UkeHeidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-2244003732915215442013-02-04T00:26:41.624+01:002013-02-04T00:26:41.624+01:00Well,what a great and interesting post and inspiri...Well,what a great and interesting post and inspiring remarks by your readers! Merci beaucoup! And thanks Maikel for the interesting links, the thumpy flute is very interesting and so is the paedagogical work of its inventor. Concerning the name of our beloved instrument - we know we that it is possible to play music on a high level with the noseflute. Yet it is by its appearance a funny nosymusicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-89897642887159053952013-02-03T23:45:26.008+01:002013-02-03T23:45:26.008+01:00I have always known the nose flute as a nose flute...I have always known the nose flute as a nose flute, and think that most people will have it in their consciousness as such. The Raine-Reusch explication revealed that technically it would have to be called a nose whistle. However, all of these comments gathered here reveal that it doesn't really matter whether it's called a whistle or a flute. The tin/penny whistle produces one of the Maikel Meinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-58355664448473040782013-02-03T21:29:35.638+01:002013-02-03T21:29:35.638+01:00Ooops, I made a mistake in the link for "nose...Ooops, I made a mistake in the link for "nose whistle", the correct link is:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nose_whistle<br />Don Luishttp://donluispersonalwebsite.weebly.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-68650675331944011042013-02-03T21:22:42.783+01:002013-02-03T21:22:42.783+01:00Technically speaking, I think that "nose flut...Technically speaking, I think that "nose flute" is correct. I think it is a kind of "vessel flute"(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Vessel_flutes). Like the ocarina is a vessel flute, but can also be thought of as a kind of whistle.<br /><br />It can also be called a "nose whistle"(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nose_flute).<br /><br />I have no problem with Don Luishttp://donluispersonalwebsite.weebly.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-75201590856933771322013-02-03T17:42:05.758+01:002013-02-03T17:42:05.758+01:00Yes Harm, I also feel that "whistle" ind...Yes Harm, I also feel that "whistle" induces an idea of toy and "flute" of music. That the reason I am very relieved to see that the name "flute" is not usurped for our instrument...<br />Yes too, it is very easy to say "urban" or "modern" nose flute when there is a possibility of confusion. I personally prefer "urban", because "UkeHeidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-42778660622203548042013-02-03T17:37:33.186+01:002013-02-03T17:37:33.186+01:00Oh, if we look for a new name, there are many that...Oh, if we look for a new name, there are many that fit well! Nasalette for instance! Anyway, there is no mean to change the usage, good or bad.<br /><br />My point was to check if the word flute was right ot wrong, and if whistle would be more (or less) appropriate. I do not put "whistles" in a trash and "flutes" on a throne! But clearly, it appeared taht what we call whistle UkeHeidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-64485172695073691532013-02-03T16:18:50.324+01:002013-02-03T16:18:50.324+01:00You're right about a "nose whistle" ...You're right about a "nose whistle" being a (temporary) malfunctioning in clear breathing, yet one of my points is that whistling is considered an art form. Check out this example to get an impression: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO-aCQ6xH-8 <br /><br />There even are a couple of ancient whistled languages! Check out the following links to get an impression: http://Maikel Meinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-51625989355751113052013-02-03T13:46:42.348+01:002013-02-03T13:46:42.348+01:00Let me add that in the Dutch language whistling is...Let me add that in the Dutch language whistling is „fluiten" while playing a flute (fluit in Dutch) is „fluit spelen" (playing the flute). A flute in Dutch is „fluit" and a whistle is „fluitje" (little flute or flûtette(Fr.) ) as mentioned in your article. With which I want to show that the difference between whistle and flute is very unclear in Dutch.<br />I like the idea of Harm J. Linsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-50469368956845842662013-02-03T11:54:07.168+01:002013-02-03T11:54:07.168+01:00Dear Maikel,
Yes, I would like to know the Guaran...Dear Maikel,<br /><br />Yes, I would like to know the Guaranis' appellation for this instrument too..<br /><br />I'm not shocked to hear or read "nose whistle". But to me, this name does not transmit the idea of a variable picth. "Nose variable whistle" sounds strange, but righter.<br /><br />I do not totally agree with Piet Visser in that there are some whistles with UkeHeidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-52655463855589305522013-02-03T10:50:14.385+01:002013-02-03T10:50:14.385+01:00Comment from Mr. Raine-Reusch:
Antoine
It is true...Comment from Mr. Raine-Reusch:<br /><br />Antoine<br />It is true that the term flute has been used for the instrument you play in common usage. However I make the designation that it is a whistle to differentiate it from the nose flutes found in Melanesia and South-east Asia, which are melodic based instruments.UkeHeidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175787452954907320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3266509147115962751.post-77179150757000748472013-02-03T01:40:16.298+01:002013-02-03T01:40:16.298+01:00I love this article and I think it is an important...I love this article and I think it is an important issue. I have always been intrigued by the origins of the "nose flute" and pretty sure it had to have some obscure ethnic name. I was never able to find any fancy name though... <br /><br />Since the oldest recorded "buccal cavity driven nose flute" stems from the Guarani culture, it would be interesting to know how they callMaikel Meinoreply@blogger.com